Hi all,
FYI and attention. Hopefully we will get a better picture of the discussion items for the next few meetings based on this response from Mitchell.
Paul
paulbrant(a)mindspring.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Silver, Mitchell
To: paulbrant(a)mindspring.com
Cc: Bowers, Kenneth; Thomas A.Bartholomew Jr.; Rodger Koopman; Stephenson, Russ; Nancy McFarlane
Sent: 4/1/2009 4:50:30 PM
Subject: RE: COW Review of the 2030 Comp Plan
Paul,
I believe the agenda was clear. We made a special note, which we underlined, of the subject matter of the COW meeting.
CP-1-09 The 2030 Comprehensive Plan for the City of Raleigh. The proposed changes to the Comprehensive Plan update existing System Plans as Plan Elements; add new Elements addressing Land Use, Environmental Protection, Urban Design, Arts and Culture, and Regional and Inter-jurisdictional Coordination; replace the Urban Form Map and related guidelines with a Future Land Use Map; and reduce the number of Area Plans from 67 to 21. (NOTE: Land Use and the Future Land Use Map will be the focus of discussion at this meeting.)
I will take your issues one at a time.
1) The list was not �staff recommended� changes to the Land Use map, but staff offered a recommendation to changes recommended by someone else (citizen, community group, land use attorney, developer, etc). The changes to the land use map came from two sources: comments submitted as part of the public review process where staff recommended �no change� and changes recommended during the March 19th public hearing. I don�t know about the specific knowledge from land use attorneys you are referring to, but staff was contacted by a variety of people to find out what part of the comp plan would be discussed on the COW agenda. Once the agenda topic was posted, staff received calls from land use attorneys, planners, developers and citizens.
2) Staff sent a draft list of recommendations to the PC late Friday upon their request, but the final draft list of recommendations was not completed until Monday afternoon (3/30). As you know, staff generally brings COW material to the meeting the day of the meeting.
3) Staff or the PC could not predict how many items would be addressed at the 3/31 COW, so the �Land Use and Future Land Use Map� was listed as the agenda item. We were aware that all items staff reviewed may not have been discussed at the COW due the number of items. Someone who came to the COW meeting may have been upset if an item was listed on the agenda, but not discussed due to time constraints. I will defer to the COW Chair on how he would like the agenda to be listed in the future.
4) The City does not require property owners to be contacted on comp plan amendments. Since the land use maps and policies affect every citizen, the City would have to contact every property in the City, which is not practical.
5) The list of land use changes with staff recommendations presented at the COW meeting on 3/31 will be posted to the Planningraleigh2030.com website along with the minutes after the full PC approves the minutes at their next meeting.
6) As you know, the City has been committed to transparency throughout the process and that commitment continues.
Thank you for bringing this to my attention. The COW chair has been copied on this e-mail and I will discuss how we should list items on future COW agendas. There are likely 3-4 remaining meetings the PC will hold on the Comp Plan. Each one is important and therefore, I would encourage attendance at each one.
Mitchell Silver, PP, AICP
Director,
Department of City Planning
One Exchange Plaza, PO Box 590
Raleigh, NC 27602-0590
919.516.2625 phone
919.516.2684 fax
e-mail: mitchell.silver(a)ci.raleigh.nc.us
Department: www.raleighnc.gov/planning
Comprehensive Plan: www.planningraleigh2030.com
From: paulbrant(a)mindspring.com [mailto:paulbrant@mindspring.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 2:16 PM
To: Silver, Mitchell
Cc: Bowers, Kenneth; Thomas A. Bartholomew Jr.; Rodger Koopman; Stephenson, Russ; Nancy McFarlane
Subject: COW Review of the 2030 Comp Plan
Mitchell,
I was very surprised to find out when I attended the PC COW meeting yesterday that there was such specificity in the items being discussed concerning the staff recommended changes to the Land Use Map. While the agenda notification of the meeting indicated a discussion on the Land Use Map would take place there was no indication that I could find on the web site of the specific areas of the map under review and recommendation. Since I did see a number of lawyers at the meeting with seemingly specific knowledge of the items under discussion as they affected their clients I am concerned that the general public and those property owners nearby and directly affected are not likewise aware of these staff recommendations prior to these meetings.
As you know I have spent considerable time in this update process, reviewing documents, making comments and following up with staff and others in my CAC to ensure they are aware of the opportunities to input to the process. However, I do not believe that any member of the general public was made aware of the agenda details that were behind the CP-1-09 agenda item as published on the city's web site. If such detail is available I have not been able to locate it.
Since each of these items are important to all concerned I would appreciate having a copy of the specific items to be discussed published on the web site. I know it is a monumental task to have you advise all affected property owners of these recommendations and yet I think it is important that there be a completely open and transparent process in which at least those who have provided comment concerning the affected area as well as the CAC Chair be notified when their item of interest is to be addressed within a Planning Commission or Council Committee. At least the agenda and the detailed list of items to be discussed need to be available in e-mail notifications or on the city's web site.
It was more by accident than good planning that I happened to attend the PC COW meeting yesterday. I thought it was merely to map out the work program and discuss how the various recommendations would be discussed and the process approved. It was obvious that other people at the meeting knew that there was a long list of specific recommendations that were to be discussed and decisions made. I can find no reference in any information available to the general public informing us of that process or the items addressed.
Please keep all interested parties informed of the details so we can be certain every opportunity for feedback on these recommendations is provided to the general public.
Sincerely,
Paul
paulbrant(a)mindspring.com
Bah. Nevermind. I see that it went out (I was looking at March's
archives and not April's. Duh).
Cheers,
Mark
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: COW Review of the 2030 Comp Plan
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:16:21 -0400
From: paulbrant(a)mindspring.com <paulbrant(a)mindspring.com>
Paul Brant (who bcc'd RCAC) just sent this email. I approved it to be
sent to the list but I don't think Mailman knows how to handle email
sent to it as bcc. I'll look into bcc's, but for now you might try
simply cc'ing it to RCAC. It's an open list so all messages are public
anyway.
Regards,
Mark
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: COW Review of the 2030 Comp Plan
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:16:21 -0400
From: paulbrant(a)mindspring.com <paulbrant(a)mindspring.com>
Reply-To: paulbrant(a)mindspring.com
To: Mitchell Silver <mitchell.silver(a)ci.raleigh.nc.us>
CC: Kenneth Bowers <Kenneth.Bowers(a)ci.raleigh.nc.us>, Thomas A.
Bartholomew Jr. <tbartholomew(a)bellsouth.net>, Rodger Koopman
<rodger(a)rodgerkoopman.com>, Russ Stephenson
<Russ.Stephenson(a)ci.raleigh.nc.us>, Nancy McFarlane
<nancy(a)nancymcfarlane.com>
Mitchell,
I was very surprised to find out when I attended the PC COW meeting
yesterday that there was such specificity in the items being discussed
concerning the staff recommended changes to the Land Use Map. While the
agenda notification of the meeting indicated a discussion on the Land
Use Map would take place there was no indication that I could find on
the web site of the specific areas of the map under review and
recommendation. Since I did see a number of lawyers at the meeting with
seemingly specific knowledge of the items under discussion as they
affected their clients I am concerned that the general public and those
property owners nearby and directly affected are not likewise aware of
these staff recommendations prior to these meetings.
As you know I have spent considerable time in this update process,
reviewing documents, making comments and following up with staff and
others in my CAC to ensure they are aware of the opportunities to input
to the process. However, I do not believe that any member of the general
public was made aware of the agenda details that were behind the CP-1-09
agenda item as published on the city's web site. If such detail is
available I have not been able to locate it.
Since each of these items are important to all concerned I would
appreciate having a copy of the specific items to be discussed published
on the web site. I know it is a monumental task to have you advise all
affected property owners of these recommendations and yet I think it is
important that there be a completely open and transparent process in
which at least those who have provided comment concerning the affected
area as well as the CAC Chair be notified when their item of interest is
to be addressed within a Planning Commission or Council Committee. At
least the agenda and the detailed list of items to be discussed need to
be available in e-mail notifications or on the city's web site.
It was more by accident than good planning that I happened to attend the
PC COW meeting yesterday. I thought it was merely to map out the work
program and discuss how the various recommendations would be discussed
and the process approved. It was obvious that other people at the
meeting knew that there was a long list of specific recommendations that
were to be discussed and decisions made. I can find no reference in any
information available to the general public informing us of that process
or the items addressed.
Please keep all interested parties informed of the details so we can be
certain every opportunity for feedback on these recommendations is
provided to the general public.
Sincerely,
Paul
paulbrant(a)mindspring.com <mailto:paulbrant@mindspring.com>
Mitchell,
I was very surprised to find out when I attended the PC COW meeting yesterday that there was such specificity in the items being discussed concerning the staff recommended changes to the Land Use Map. While the agenda notification of the meeting indicated a discussion on the Land Use Map would take place there was no indication that I could find on the web site of the specific areas of the map under review and recommendation. Since I did see a number of lawyers at the meeting with seemingly specific knowledge of the items under discussion as they affected their clients I am concerned that the general public and those property owners nearby and directly affected are not likewise aware of these staff recommendations prior to these meetings.
As you know I have spent considerable time in this update process, reviewing documents, making comments and following up with staff and others in my CAC to ensure they are aware of the opportunities to input to the process. However, I do not believe that any member of the general public was made aware of the agenda details that were behind the CP-1-09 agenda item as published on the city's web site. If such detail is available I have not been able to locate it.
Since each of these items are important to all concerned I would appreciate having a copy of the specific items to be discussed published on the web site. I know it is a monumental task to have you advise all affected property owners of these recommendations and yet I think it is important that there be a completely open and transparent process in which at least those who have provided comment concerning the affected area as well as the CAC Chair be notified when their item of interest is to be addressed within a Planning Commission or Council Committee. At least the agenda and the detailed list of items to be discussed need to be available in e-mail notifications or on the city's web site.
It was more by accident than good planning that I happened to attend the PC COW meeting yesterday. I thought it was merely to map out the work program and discuss how the various recommendations would be discussed and the process approved. It was obvious that other people at the meeting knew that there was a long list of specific recommendations that were to be discussed and decisions made. I can find no reference in any information available to the general public informing us of that process or the items addressed.
Please keep all interested parties informed of the details so we can be certain every opportunity for feedback on these recommendations is provided to the general public.
Sincerely,
Paul
paulbrant(a)mindspring.com
Mark -
Thanks for setting this up. What is "digest mode" ?
Dick Stearns
> [Original Message]
> From: Mark Turner <cac-chair(a)eastraleigh.org>
> To: RCAC Discussion <rcac(a)eastraleigh.org>
> Date: 3/24/2009 4:28:25 PM
> Subject: [RCAC] RCAC Mailing list
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> Hello everyone,
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Mark -
Thanks for setting this up. What is digest mode?
Dick Stearns
Vice chairman
North CAC
> [Original Message]
> From: Mark Turner <cac-chair(a)eastraleigh.org>
> To: RCAC Discussion <rcac(a)eastraleigh.org>
> Date: 3/24/2009 4:28:25 PM
> Subject: [RCAC] RCAC Mailing list
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> The RCAC Mailing list has been configured. If you received this message,
> you are subscribed and don't need to do anything.
>
> The way the list is configured all CAC officers, Dwayne Patterson, and
> Charlene Willard are allowed to post. All others may sign up to receive
> emails but will not have posting privileges.
>
> SENDING TO THE LIST
>
> Simply send your email to rcac(a)eastraleigh.org. It will reach all the
> CAC officers and Community Services staff. It's that easy.
>
> RETRIEVING YOUR PASSWORD
>
> You have an automatically-generated password for this list. It will
> allow you to make changes to your subscription. To find out your password:
>
> 1.Put your email address in the top box of this page:
> http://www.eastraleigh.org/mailman/options/rcac/
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> CHANGING SETTINGS
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> If you need to change your settings on the list (i.e., to set digest
mode):
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Hello everyone,
The RCAC Mailing list has been configured. If you received this message,
you are subscribed and don't need to do anything.
The way the list is configured all CAC officers, Dwayne Patterson, and
Charlene Willard are allowed to post. All others may sign up to receive
emails but will not have posting privileges.
SENDING TO THE LIST
Simply send your email to rcac(a)eastraleigh.org. It will reach all the
CAC officers and Community Services staff. It's that easy.
RETRIEVING YOUR PASSWORD
You have an automatically-generated password for this list. It will
allow you to make changes to your subscription. To find out your password:
1.Put your email address in the top box of this page:
http://www.eastraleigh.org/mailman/options/rcac/
2. Scroll to the bottom to "Password reminder" and click on the "remind"
button.
CHANGING SETTINGS
If you need to change your settings on the list (i.e., to set digest mode):
1. Enter your email address and password at the top of this page:
http://www.eastraleigh.org/mailman/options/rcac/
2. Click "Log in."
3. A new page will load. Scroll down to the shaded boxes near the
bottom. You'll find radio buttons on the right side for
enabling/disabling mail delivery and for turning digest mode on or off.
READING LIST ARCHIVES
List archives can be found here:
http://www.eastraleigh.org/pipermail/rcac/
Questions? Need help? Let me know.
Regards,
Mark
East CAC
741.6329 CAC line
