21 Oct
2024
21 Oct
'24
8:42 a.m.
Hi folks. Here's what I suggest in getting attention regarding Bowstring's:
1. Calls to the police's non-emergency number are not formally logged
and will likely not be counted in any enforcement action. Calls to 911
WILL be logged and an officer is obligated to investigate each call. Do
not worry about calling 911 for anything - it's the dispatcher's job to
sort priority and this is what she or he will do. The officer will show
up if nothing else is a higher priority at the moment.
2. Reach out to our Five Points neighbors across Wake Forest Road and
team up with them. As bad as it is for us it is almost certainly worse
for them, speaker direction notwithstanding.
3. Sign up EN MASSE to speak at an upcoming City Council session. For
the topic, put "Bowstring noise" or something similar. I suggest the
topic be identical for each speaker, BUT make sure each speaker offers a
unique speech. Mention how it's affecting your quality of life. You
might want to motion to your fellow audience members and have them stand
if the noise is affecting them.
It is hard to ignore this type of display of dissatisfaction and it's
sure to gain Council's and staff's attention. Tip off the media a few
days in advance to that they are there to witness it.
Perhaps ask that the noise ordinance be enforced or, if not, adjusted to
where everyone knows what to expect from it.
If you want to go nuclear, you could request the city consider Bowstring
a public nuisance. Here's the info on that from the city:
https://raleighnc.gov/housing/services/public-nuisances
Good luck!
Mark
21 Oct
21 Oct
8:48 a.m.
Thanks, Mark. These are good suggestions.
Lauren
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 21, 2024, at 8:42 AM, Mark Turner via
BPW-Action <bpw-action(a)eastraleigh.org> wrote:
Hi folks. Here's what I suggest in getting attention regarding Bowstring's:
1. Calls to the police's non-emergency number are not formally logged and will likely
not be counted in any enforcement action. Calls to 911 WILL be logged and an officer is
obligated to investigate each call. Do not worry about calling 911 for anything - it's
the dispatcher's job to sort priority and this is what she or he will do. The officer
will show up if nothing else is a higher priority at the moment.
2. Reach out to our Five Points neighbors across Wake Forest Road and team up with them.
As bad as it is for us it is almost certainly worse for them, speaker direction
notwithstanding.
3. Sign up EN MASSE to speak at an upcoming City Council session. For the topic, put
"Bowstring noise" or something similar. I suggest the topic be identical for
each speaker, BUT make sure each speaker offers a unique speech. Mention how it's
affecting your quality of life. You might want to motion to your fellow audience members
and have them stand if the noise is affecting them.
It is hard to ignore this type of display of dissatisfaction and it's sure to gain
Council's and staff's attention. Tip off the media a few days in advance to that
they are there to witness it.
Perhaps ask that the noise ordinance be enforced or, if not, adjusted to where everyone
knows what to expect from it.
If you want to go nuclear, you could request the city consider Bowstring a public
nuisance. Here's the info on that from the city:
https://raleighnc.gov/housing/services/public-nuisances
Good luck!
Mark
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8:57 a.m.
I think that an in-person meeting with the manager of the music would be a
good idea, especially since we have been invited to do so. A face to face
encounter creates a more human relationship and I believe could help him
understand our point better. Bringing in the law as a first step puts them
on the defensive and makes it easy to be perceived as antagonistic, putting
them on the defensive.
Let’s go talk. He invited us. I think it’s the best method of understanding
each other’s perspective, making a compromise more likely.
Julie on Plainview
On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 8:42 AM Mark Turner via BPW-Action <
bpw-action(a)eastraleigh.org> wrote:
Hi folks. Here's what I suggest in getting
attention regarding Bowstring's:
1. Calls to the police's non-emergency number are not formally logged
and will likely not be counted in any enforcement action. Calls to 911
WILL be logged and an officer is obligated to investigate each call. Do
not worry about calling 911 for anything - it's the dispatcher's job to
sort priority and this is what she or he will do. The officer will show
up if nothing else is a higher priority at the moment.
2. Reach out to our Five Points neighbors across Wake Forest Road and
team up with them. As bad as it is for us it is almost certainly worse
for them, speaker direction notwithstanding.
3. Sign up EN MASSE to speak at an upcoming City Council session. For
the topic, put "Bowstring noise" or something similar. I suggest the
topic be identical for each speaker, BUT make sure each speaker offers a
unique speech. Mention how it's affecting your quality of life. You
might want to motion to your fellow audience members and have them stand
if the noise is affecting them.
It is hard to ignore this type of display of dissatisfaction and it's
sure to gain Council's and staff's attention. Tip off the media a few
days in advance to that they are there to witness it.
Perhaps ask that the noise ordinance be enforced or, if not, adjusted to
where everyone knows what to expect from it.
If you want to go nuclear, you could request the city consider Bowstring
a public nuisance. Here's the info on that from the city:
https://raleighnc.gov/housing/services/public-nuisances
Good luck!
Mark
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9:33 a.m.
Talk about what? I'm out.
On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 8:57 AM Julie Eldridge via BPW-Action <
bpw-action(a)eastraleigh.org> wrote:
I think that an in-person meeting with the manager of
the music would be a
good idea, especially since we have been invited to do so. A face to face
encounter creates a more human relationship and I believe could help him
understand our point better. Bringing in the law as a first step puts them
on the defensive and makes it easy to be perceived as antagonistic, putting
them on the defensive.
Let’s go talk. He invited us. I think it’s the best method of
understanding each other’s perspective, making a compromise more likely.
Julie on Plainview
On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 8:42 AM Mark Turner via BPW-Action <
bpw-action(a)eastraleigh.org> wrote:
Hi folks. Here's what I suggest in getting
attention regarding
Bowstring's:
1. Calls to the police's non-emergency number are not formally logged
and will likely not be counted in any enforcement action. Calls to 911
WILL be logged and an officer is obligated to investigate each call. Do
not worry about calling 911 for anything - it's the dispatcher's job to
sort priority and this is what she or he will do. The officer will show
up if nothing else is a higher priority at the moment.
2. Reach out to our Five Points neighbors across Wake Forest Road and
team up with them. As bad as it is for us it is almost certainly worse
for them, speaker direction notwithstanding.
3. Sign up EN MASSE to speak at an upcoming City Council session. For
the topic, put "Bowstring noise" or something similar. I suggest the
topic be identical for each speaker, BUT make sure each speaker offers a
unique speech. Mention how it's affecting your quality of life. You
might want to motion to your fellow audience members and have them stand
if the noise is affecting them.
It is hard to ignore this type of display of dissatisfaction and it's
sure to gain Council's and staff's attention. Tip off the media a few
days in advance to that they are there to witness it.
Perhaps ask that the noise ordinance be enforced or, if not, adjusted to
where everyone knows what to expect from it.
If you want to go nuclear, you could request the city consider Bowstring
a public nuisance. Here's the info on that from the city:
https://raleighnc.gov/housing/services/public-nuisances
Good luck!
Mark
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11:23 a.m.
Of he’s willing to hear us out, I think we should be willing to hear him
out. I’d like to hear his perspective.
On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 10:30 AM Lauren Markley <antigenre_arts(a)yahoo.com>
wrote:
Julie, with all due respect, I don’t feel like there
is anything to
compromise on. What is being asked of us here? That we collectively decide
how often and by how much the bar is allowed to encroach on our
neighborhood with the loud music?
Also, it seems disingenuous of him to ask us to meet. It allows him to say
that we are the unreasonable ones if we don’t want to have a sit-down with
him. The bar has a long history of noise complaint issues - the owners are
fully aware that they are the problem. I don’t want this turned back around
on us.
I wouldn’t tell anyone who wants to meet the owner not to, but I’m not
interested.
Lauren
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 21, 2024, at 9:34 AM, Ashlyn Bradshaw via BPW-Action <
bpw-action(a)eastraleigh.org> wrote:
Talk about what? I'm out.
On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 8:57 AM Julie Eldridge via BPW-Action <
bpw-action(a)eastraleigh.org> wrote:
I think that an in-person meeting with the
manager of the music would
be a good idea, especially since we have been invited to do so. A face to
face encounter creates a more human relationship and I believe could help
him understand our point better. Bringing in the law as a first step puts
them on the defensive and makes it easy to be perceived as antagonistic,
putting them on the defensive.
Let’s go talk. He invited us. I think it’s the best method of
understanding each other’s perspective, making a compromise more likely.
Julie on Plainview
On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 8:42 AM Mark Turner via BPW-Action <
bpw-action(a)eastraleigh.org> wrote:
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Hi folks. Here's what I suggest in getting
attention regarding
Bowstring's:
1. Calls to the police's non-emergency number are not formally logged
and will likely not be counted in any enforcement action. Calls to 911
WILL be logged and an officer is obligated to investigate each call. Do
not worry about calling 911 for anything - it's the dispatcher's job to
sort priority and this is what she or he will do. The officer will show
up if nothing else is a higher priority at the moment.
2. Reach out to our Five Points neighbors across Wake Forest Road and
team up with them. As bad as it is for us it is almost certainly worse
for them, speaker direction notwithstanding.
3. Sign up EN MASSE to speak at an upcoming City Council session. For
the topic, put "Bowstring noise" or something similar. I suggest the
topic be identical for each speaker, BUT make sure each speaker offers a
unique speech. Mention how it's affecting your quality of life. You
might want to motion to your fellow audience members and have them stand
if the noise is affecting them.
It is hard to ignore this type of display of dissatisfaction and it's
sure to gain Council's and staff's attention. Tip off the media a few
days in advance to that they are there to witness it.
Perhaps ask that the noise ordinance be enforced or, if not, adjusted to
where everyone knows what to expect from it.
If you want to go nuclear, you could request the city consider Bowstring
a public nuisance. Here's the info on that from the city:
https://raleighnc.gov/housing/services/public-nuisances
Good luck!
Mark
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11:36 a.m.
Uh oh, Julie, it looks like you sent something that got turned into a string of numbers…
Can you please resend?
Thanks,
Lauren
Sent from my iPhone
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11:50 a.m.
Lauren tells me my last message didn't send... so here's a resend. My
apologies if anyone already got this message.
If he's willing to hear us out, I think we should be willing to hear him
out. I’d like to hear his perspective
On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 11:23 AM Julie Eldridge <eldrij403(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Of he’s willing to hear us out, I think we should be
willing to hear him
out. I’d like to hear his perspective.
On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 10:30 AM Lauren Markley <antigenre_arts(a)yahoo.com>
wrote:
> Julie, with all due respect, I don’t feel like there is anything to
> compromise on. What is being asked of us here? That we collectively decide
> how often and by how much the bar is allowed to encroach on our
> neighborhood with the loud music?
>
> Also, it seems disingenuous of him to ask us to meet. It allows him to
> say that we are the unreasonable ones if we don’t want to have a sit-down
> with him. The bar has a long history of noise complaint issues - the owners
> are fully aware that they are the problem. I don’t want this turned back
> around on us.
>
> I wouldn’t tell anyone who wants to meet the owner not to, but I’m not
> interested.
>
> Lauren
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 21, 2024, at 9:34 AM, Ashlyn Bradshaw via BPW-Action <
> bpw-action(a)eastraleigh.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> Talk about what? I'm out.
>
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 8:57 AM Julie Eldridge via BPW-Action <
> bpw-action(a)eastraleigh.org> wrote:
>
>> I think that an in-person meeting with the manager of the music would
>> be a good idea, especially since we have been invited to do so. A face to
>> face encounter creates a more human relationship and I believe could help
>> him understand our point better. Bringing in the law as a first step puts
>> them on the defensive and makes it easy to be perceived as antagonistic,
>> putting them on the defensive.
>> Let’s go talk. He invited us. I think it’s the best method of
>> understanding each other’s perspective, making a compromise more likely.
>>
>> Julie on Plainview
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 8:42 AM Mark Turner via BPW-Action <
>> bpw-action(a)eastraleigh.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi folks. Here's what I suggest in getting attention regarding
>>> Bowstring's:
>>>
>>> 1. Calls to the police's non-emergency number are not formally logged
>>> and will likely not be counted in any enforcement action. Calls to 911
>>> WILL be logged and an officer is obligated to investigate each call. Do
>>> not worry about calling 911 for anything - it's the dispatcher's job
to
>>> sort priority and this is what she or he will do. The officer will show
>>> up if nothing else is a higher priority at the moment.
>>>
>>> 2. Reach out to our Five Points neighbors across Wake Forest Road and
>>> team up with them. As bad as it is for us it is almost certainly worse
>>> for them, speaker direction notwithstanding.
>>>
>>> 3. Sign up EN MASSE to speak at an upcoming City Council session. For
>>> the topic, put "Bowstring noise" or something similar. I suggest
the
>>> topic be identical for each speaker, BUT make sure each speaker offers
>>> a
>>> unique speech. Mention how it's affecting your quality of life. You
>>> might want to motion to your fellow audience members and have them
>>> stand
>>> if the noise is affecting them.
>>>
>>> It is hard to ignore this type of display of dissatisfaction and it's
>>> sure to gain Council's and staff's attention. Tip off the media a few
>>> days in advance to that they are there to witness it.
>>>
>>> Perhaps ask that the noise ordinance be enforced or, if not, adjusted
>>> to
>>> where everyone knows what to expect from it.
>>>
>>> If you want to go nuclear, you could request the city consider
>>> Bowstring
>>> a public nuisance. Here's the info on that from the city:
>>>
>>> https://raleighnc.gov/housing/services/public-nuisances
>>>
>>> Good luck!
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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12:01 p.m.
I’d be curious to know why they shifted the stage not facing five points
any longer
Eddie Wilson
Realtor/Broker/ Owner
919.600.4959
@raleighisgrowing
On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 11:23 AM Julie Eldridge via BPW-Action <
bpw-action(a)eastraleigh.org> wrote:
Of he’s willing to hear us out, I think we should be
willing to hear him
out. I’d like to hear his perspective.
On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 10:30 AM Lauren Markley <antigenre_arts(a)yahoo.com>
wrote:
Julie, with all due respect, I don’t feel like
there is anything to
compromise on. What is being asked of us here? That we collectively decide
how often and by how much the bar is allowed to encroach on our
neighborhood with the loud music?
Also, it seems disingenuous of him to ask us to meet. It allows him to
say that we are the unreasonable ones if we don’t want to have a sit-down
with him. The bar has a long history of noise complaint issues - the owners
are fully aware that they are the problem. I don’t want this turned back
around on us.
I wouldn’t tell anyone who wants to meet the owner not to, but I’m not
interested.
Lauren
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 21, 2024, at 9:34 AM, Ashlyn Bradshaw via BPW-Action <
bpw-action(a)eastraleigh.org> wrote:
Talk about what? I'm out.
On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 8:57 AM Julie Eldridge via BPW-Action <
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I think that an in-person meeting with the
manager of the music would
be a good idea, especially since we have been invited to do so. A face to
face encounter creates a more human relationship and I believe could help
him understand our point better. Bringing in the law as a first step puts
them on the defensive and makes it easy to be perceived as antagonistic,
putting them on the defensive.
Let’s go talk. He invited us. I think it’s the best method of
understanding each other’s perspective, making a compromise more likely.
Julie on Plainview
On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 8:42 AM Mark Turner via BPW-Action <
bpw-action(a)eastraleigh.org> wrote:
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_______________________________________________ Hi folks. Here's what I suggest in getting
attention regarding
Bowstring's:
1. Calls to the police's non-emergency number are not formally logged
and will likely not be counted in any enforcement action. Calls to 911
WILL be logged and an officer is obligated to investigate each call. Do
not worry about calling 911 for anything - it's the dispatcher's job to
sort priority and this is what she or he will do. The officer will show
up if nothing else is a higher priority at the moment.
2. Reach out to our Five Points neighbors across Wake Forest Road and
team up with them. As bad as it is for us it is almost certainly worse
for them, speaker direction notwithstanding.
3. Sign up EN MASSE to speak at an upcoming City Council session. For
the topic, put "Bowstring noise" or something similar. I suggest the
topic be identical for each speaker, BUT make sure each speaker offers
a
unique speech. Mention how it's affecting your quality of life. You
might want to motion to your fellow audience members and have them
stand
if the noise is affecting them.
It is hard to ignore this type of display of dissatisfaction and it's
sure to gain Council's and staff's attention. Tip off the media a few
days in advance to that they are there to witness it.
Perhaps ask that the noise ordinance be enforced or, if not, adjusted
to
where everyone knows what to expect from it.
If you want to go nuclear, you could request the city consider
Bowstring
a public nuisance. Here's the info on that from the city:
https://raleighnc.gov/housing/services/public-nuisances
Good luck!
Mark
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24 Oct
24 Oct
2:38 p.m.
Hello everybody,
I just got off the phone with Christina Jones with City Council. She was
very helpful and informative.
She was able to confirm that the issues we are currently experiencing have
to do with the new noise ordinance that was recently passed. The city
council was lobbied by business owners to make this change for outdoor
amplified entertainment and the communities near these businesses are
experiencing the blow back of that change. There are neighborhoods all over
Raleigh that are having this issue due to the explosion of outdoor
amplified stages created by this new noise ordinance. Bowstring does have a
permit for outdoor amplified music, in case anyone is curious. That was one
of my questions for council - how is it possible that a bar/restaurant can
just become an outdoor music venue in the middle of a residential
neighborhood? This new noise ordinance is the answer.
She told me that we need to be emailing the city council about this
non-stop. Everyone on this listserv that has an experience with the noise
from bowstring needs to tell their story to city council either via email
or going to their meetings to share their experiences.
The email address for all city council members is
citycouncilmembers(a)raleighnc.gov - please send them an email. They need to
hear how many people this is affecting and how far away we are from this
nuisance.
Christina mentioned being willing to visit the neighborhood to experience
the noise and invited us to record the noise and email that to the city
council as well. Any documentation is very helpful.
Continue calling 911 to report noise violations
Feel free to message me if you have any questions, I'm happy to answer what
I can.
Best,
Eric
On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 12:02 PM Eddie Wilson via BPW-Action <
bpw-action(a)eastraleigh.org> wrote:
I’d be curious to know why they shifted the stage not
facing five points
any longer
Eddie Wilson
Realtor/Broker/ Owner
919.600.4959
@raleighisgrowing
On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 11:23 AM Julie Eldridge via BPW-Action <
bpw-action(a)eastraleigh.org> wrote:
Of he’s willing to hear us out, I think we should
be willing to hear him
out. I’d like to hear his perspective.
On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 10:30 AM Lauren Markley <antigenre_arts(a)yahoo.com>
wrote:
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Julie, with all due respect, I don’t feel like
there is anything to
compromise on. What is being asked of us here? That we collectively decide
how often and by how much the bar is allowed to encroach on our
neighborhood with the loud music?
Also, it seems disingenuous of him to ask us to meet. It allows him to
say that we are the unreasonable ones if we don’t want to have a sit-down
with him. The bar has a long history of noise complaint issues - the owners
are fully aware that they are the problem. I don’t want this turned back
around on us.
I wouldn’t tell anyone who wants to meet the owner not to, but I’m not
interested.
Lauren
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 21, 2024, at 9:34 AM, Ashlyn Bradshaw via BPW-Action <
bpw-action(a)eastraleigh.org> wrote:
Talk about what? I'm out.
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I think that an in-person meeting with the
manager of the music would
be a good idea, especially since we have been invited to do so. A face to
face encounter creates a more human relationship and I believe could help
him understand our point better. Bringing in the law as a first step puts
them on the defensive and makes it easy to be perceived as antagonistic,
putting them on the defensive.
Let’s go talk. He invited us. I think it’s the best method of
understanding each other’s perspective, making a compromise more likely.
Julie on Plainview
On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 8:42 AM Mark Turner via BPW-Action <
bpw-action(a)eastraleigh.org> wrote:
> Hi folks. Here's what I suggest in getting attention regarding
> Bowstring's:
>
> 1. Calls to the police's non-emergency number are not formally logged
> and will likely not be counted in any enforcement action. Calls to 911
> WILL be logged and an officer is obligated to investigate each call.
> Do
> not worry about calling 911 for anything - it's the dispatcher's job
> to
> sort priority and this is what she or he will do. The officer will
> show
> up if nothing else is a higher priority at the moment.
>
> 2. Reach out to our Five Points neighbors across Wake Forest Road and
> team up with them. As bad as it is for us it is almost certainly worse
> for them, speaker direction notwithstanding.
>
> 3. Sign up EN MASSE to speak at an upcoming City Council session. For
> the topic, put "Bowstring noise" or something similar. I suggest the
> topic be identical for each speaker, BUT make sure each speaker offers
> a
> unique speech. Mention how it's affecting your quality of life. You
> might want to motion to your fellow audience members and have them
> stand
> if the noise is affecting them.
>
> It is hard to ignore this type of display of dissatisfaction and it's
> sure to gain Council's and staff's attention. Tip off the media a few
> days in advance to that they are there to witness it.
>
> Perhaps ask that the noise ordinance be enforced or, if not, adjusted
> to
> where everyone knows what to expect from it.
>
> If you want to go nuclear, you could request the city consider
> Bowstring
> a public nuisance. Here's the info on that from the city:
>
> https://raleighnc.gov/housing/services/public-nuisances
>
> Good luck!
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
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3 p.m.
Thanks for the effort to have that conversation and for sharing the
information.
Krista
On Thu, Oct 24, 2024 at 2:39 PM Eric Hill via BPW-Action <
bpw-action(a)eastraleigh.org> wrote:
Hello everybody,
I just got off the phone with Christina Jones with City Council. She was
very helpful and informative.
She was able to confirm that the issues we are currently experiencing have
to do with the new noise ordinance that was recently passed. The city
council was lobbied by business owners to make this change for outdoor
amplified entertainment and the communities near these businesses are
experiencing the blow back of that change. There are neighborhoods all over
Raleigh that are having this issue due to the explosion of outdoor
amplified stages created by this new noise ordinance. Bowstring does have a
permit for outdoor amplified music, in case anyone is curious. That was one
of my questions for council - how is it possible that a bar/restaurant can
just become an outdoor music venue in the middle of a residential
neighborhood? This new noise ordinance is the answer.
She told me that we need to be emailing the city council about this
non-stop. Everyone on this listserv that has an experience with the noise
from bowstring needs to tell their story to city council either via email
or going to their meetings to share their experiences.
The email address for all city council members is
citycouncilmembers(a)raleighnc.gov - please send them an email. They need
to hear how many people this is affecting and how far away we are from this
nuisance.
Christina mentioned being willing to visit the neighborhood to experience
the noise and invited us to record the noise and email that to the city
council as well. Any documentation is very helpful.
Continue calling 911 to report noise violations
Feel free to message me if you have any questions, I'm happy to answer
what I can.
Best,
Eric
On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 12:02 PM Eddie Wilson via BPW-Action <
bpw-action(a)eastraleigh.org> wrote:
I’d be curious to know why they shifted the stage
not facing five points
any longer
Eddie Wilson
Realtor/Broker/ Owner
919.600.4959
@raleighisgrowing
On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 11:23 AM Julie Eldridge via BPW-Action <
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Of he’s willing to hear us out, I think we should
be willing to hear him
out. I’d like to hear his perspective.
On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 10:30 AM Lauren Markley <
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Julie, with all due respect, I don’t feel like
there is anything to
compromise on. What is being asked of us here? That we collectively decide
how often and by how much the bar is allowed to encroach on our
neighborhood with the loud music?
Also, it seems disingenuous of him to ask us to meet. It allows him to
say that we are the unreasonable ones if we don’t want to have a sit-down
with him. The bar has a long history of noise complaint issues - the owners
are fully aware that they are the problem. I don’t want this turned back
around on us.
I wouldn’t tell anyone who wants to meet the owner not to, but I’m not
interested.
Lauren
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On Oct 21, 2024, at 9:34 AM, Ashlyn Bradshaw via BPW-Action <
bpw-action(a)eastraleigh.org> wrote:
Talk about what? I'm out.
On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 8:57 AM Julie Eldridge via BPW-Action <
bpw-action(a)eastraleigh.org> wrote:
> I think that an in-person meeting with the manager of the music would
> be a good idea, especially since we have been invited to do so. A face to
> face encounter creates a more human relationship and I believe could help
> him understand our point better. Bringing in the law as a first step puts
> them on the defensive and makes it easy to be perceived as antagonistic,
> putting them on the defensive.
> Let’s go talk. He invited us. I think it’s the best method of
> understanding each other’s perspective, making a compromise more likely.
>
> Julie on Plainview
>
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 8:42 AM Mark Turner via BPW-Action <
> bpw-action(a)eastraleigh.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi folks. Here's what I suggest in getting attention regarding
>> Bowstring's:
>>
>> 1. Calls to the police's non-emergency number are not formally logged
>> and will likely not be counted in any enforcement action. Calls to
>> 911
>> WILL be logged and an officer is obligated to investigate each call.
>> Do
>> not worry about calling 911 for anything - it's the dispatcher's job
>> to
>> sort priority and this is what she or he will do. The officer will
>> show
>> up if nothing else is a higher priority at the moment.
>>
>> 2. Reach out to our Five Points neighbors across Wake Forest Road and
>> team up with them. As bad as it is for us it is almost certainly
>> worse
>> for them, speaker direction notwithstanding.
>>
>> 3. Sign up EN MASSE to speak at an upcoming City Council session. For
>> the topic, put "Bowstring noise" or something similar. I suggest the
>> topic be identical for each speaker, BUT make sure each speaker
>> offers a
>> unique speech. Mention how it's affecting your quality of life. You
>> might want to motion to your fellow audience members and have them
>> stand
>> if the noise is affecting them.
>>
>> It is hard to ignore this type of display of dissatisfaction and it's
>> sure to gain Council's and staff's attention. Tip off the media a few
>> days in advance to that they are there to witness it.
>>
>> Perhaps ask that the noise ordinance be enforced or, if not, adjusted
>> to
>> where everyone knows what to expect from it.
>>
>> If you want to go nuclear, you could request the city consider
>> Bowstring
>> a public nuisance. Here's the info on that from the city:
>>
>> https://raleighnc.gov/housing/services/public-nuisances
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>>
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3:43 p.m.
I forgot to mention - I feel like this should be shared on the main
listserv. I think there are people on there that maybe don't care to take
the time to sign up for this specific bpw action thread but would maybe be
interested in sharing their experience with the City Council. Let me know
if that makes sense or maybe we have enough members here that we don't need
to bother the others.
Thanks,
Eric
On Thu, Oct 24, 2024 at 2:38 PM Eric Hill <erh0613(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hello everybody,
I just got off the phone with Christina Jones with City Council. She was
very helpful and informative.
She was able to confirm that the issues we are currently experiencing have
to do with the new noise ordinance that was recently passed. The city
council was lobbied by business owners to make this change for outdoor
amplified entertainment and the communities near these businesses are
experiencing the blow back of that change. There are neighborhoods all over
Raleigh that are having this issue due to the explosion of outdoor
amplified stages created by this new noise ordinance. Bowstring does have a
permit for outdoor amplified music, in case anyone is curious. That was one
of my questions for council - how is it possible that a bar/restaurant can
just become an outdoor music venue in the middle of a residential
neighborhood? This new noise ordinance is the answer.
She told me that we need to be emailing the city council about this
non-stop. Everyone on this listserv that has an experience with the noise
from bowstring needs to tell their story to city council either via email
or going to their meetings to share their experiences.
The email address for all city council members is
citycouncilmembers(a)raleighnc.gov - please send them an email. They need
to hear how many people this is affecting and how far away we are from this
nuisance.
Christina mentioned being willing to visit the neighborhood to experience
the noise and invited us to record the noise and email that to the city
council as well. Any documentation is very helpful.
Continue calling 911 to report noise violations
Feel free to message me if you have any questions, I'm happy to answer
what I can.
Best,
Eric
On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 12:02 PM Eddie Wilson via BPW-Action <
bpw-action(a)eastraleigh.org> wrote:
I’d be curious to know why they shifted the stage
not facing five points
any longer
Eddie Wilson
Realtor/Broker/ Owner
919.600.4959
@raleighisgrowing
On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 11:23 AM Julie Eldridge via BPW-Action <
bpw-action(a)eastraleigh.org> wrote:
Of he’s willing to hear us out, I think we should
be willing to hear him
out. I’d like to hear his perspective.
On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 10:30 AM Lauren Markley <
antigenre_arts(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
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Julie, with all due respect, I don’t feel like
there is anything to
compromise on. What is being asked of us here? That we collectively decide
how often and by how much the bar is allowed to encroach on our
neighborhood with the loud music?
Also, it seems disingenuous of him to ask us to meet. It allows him to
say that we are the unreasonable ones if we don’t want to have a sit-down
with him. The bar has a long history of noise complaint issues - the owners
are fully aware that they are the problem. I don’t want this turned back
around on us.
I wouldn’t tell anyone who wants to meet the owner not to, but I’m not
interested.
Lauren
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 21, 2024, at 9:34 AM, Ashlyn Bradshaw via BPW-Action <
bpw-action(a)eastraleigh.org> wrote:
Talk about what? I'm out.
On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 8:57 AM Julie Eldridge via BPW-Action <
bpw-action(a)eastraleigh.org> wrote:
> I think that an in-person meeting with the manager of the music would
> be a good idea, especially since we have been invited to do so. A face to
> face encounter creates a more human relationship and I believe could help
> him understand our point better. Bringing in the law as a first step puts
> them on the defensive and makes it easy to be perceived as antagonistic,
> putting them on the defensive.
> Let’s go talk. He invited us. I think it’s the best method of
> understanding each other’s perspective, making a compromise more likely.
>
> Julie on Plainview
>
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 8:42 AM Mark Turner via BPW-Action <
> bpw-action(a)eastraleigh.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi folks. Here's what I suggest in getting attention regarding
>> Bowstring's:
>>
>> 1. Calls to the police's non-emergency number are not formally logged
>> and will likely not be counted in any enforcement action. Calls to
>> 911
>> WILL be logged and an officer is obligated to investigate each call.
>> Do
>> not worry about calling 911 for anything - it's the dispatcher's job
>> to
>> sort priority and this is what she or he will do. The officer will
>> show
>> up if nothing else is a higher priority at the moment.
>>
>> 2. Reach out to our Five Points neighbors across Wake Forest Road and
>> team up with them. As bad as it is for us it is almost certainly
>> worse
>> for them, speaker direction notwithstanding.
>>
>> 3. Sign up EN MASSE to speak at an upcoming City Council session. For
>> the topic, put "Bowstring noise" or something similar. I suggest the
>> topic be identical for each speaker, BUT make sure each speaker
>> offers a
>> unique speech. Mention how it's affecting your quality of life. You
>> might want to motion to your fellow audience members and have them
>> stand
>> if the noise is affecting them.
>>
>> It is hard to ignore this type of display of dissatisfaction and it's
>> sure to gain Council's and staff's attention. Tip off the media a few
>> days in advance to that they are there to witness it.
>>
>> Perhaps ask that the noise ordinance be enforced or, if not, adjusted
>> to
>> where everyone knows what to expect from it.
>>
>> If you want to go nuclear, you could request the city consider
>> Bowstring
>> a public nuisance. Here's the info on that from the city:
>>
>> https://raleighnc.gov/housing/services/public-nuisances
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>>
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4:18 p.m.
Thanks for the update, Eric.
I would prefer all Bowstring discussions take place here rather than the
mail email list for the time being.
Mark
On 10/24/24 15:43, Eric Hill wrote:
I forgot to mention - I feel like this should be
shared on the main
listserv. I think there are people on there that maybe don't care to
take the time to sign up for this specific bpw action thread but would
maybe be interested in sharing their experience with the City Council.
Let me know if that makes sense or maybe we have enough members here
that we don't need to bother the others.
Thanks,
Eric
4:27 p.m.
Hey, Mark.
I appreciate your not wanting to clog up the main listserv. I would request
that once this smaller group comes up with a list of things we are
pursuing, you would allow us to post an update to the main listserv
summarizing our plans and inviting others to join us as they like. Would
you be open to that?
Krista
On Thu, Oct 24, 2024 at 4:19 PM Mark Turner via BPW-Action <
bpw-action(a)eastraleigh.org> wrote:
Thanks for the update, Eric.
I would prefer all Bowstring discussions take place here rather than the
mail email list for the time being.
Mark
On 10/24/24 15:43, Eric Hill wrote:
I forgot to mention - I feel like this should be
shared on the main
listserv. I think there are people on there that maybe don't care to
take the time to sign up for this specific bpw action thread but would
maybe be interested in sharing their experience with the City Council.
Let me know if that makes sense or maybe we have enough members here
that we don't need to bother the others.
Thanks,
Eric
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4:34 p.m.
This is fair. Please include an invite to BPW-Action for anyone who
would like to discuss further.
Mark
On 10/24/24 16:27, kpadge wrote:
Hey, Mark.
I appreciate your not wanting to clog up the main listserv. I would
request that once this smaller group comes up with a list of things we
are pursuing, you would allow us to post an update to the main
listserv summarizing our plans and inviting others to join us as they
like. Would you be open to that?
Krista
On Thu, Oct 24, 2024 at 4:19 PM Mark Turner via BPW-Action
<bpw-action(a)eastraleigh.org> wrote:
Thanks for the update, Eric.
I would prefer all Bowstring discussions take place here rather
than the
mail email list for the time being.
Mark
On 10/24/24 15:43, Eric Hill wrote:
I forgot to mention - I feel like this should be
shared on the main
listserv. I think there are people on there that maybe don't
care to
take the time to sign up for this specific bpw
action thread but
would
maybe be interested in sharing their experience
with the City
Council.
Let me know if that makes sense or maybe we have
enough members
here
that we don't need to bother the others.
Thanks,
Eric
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4:53 p.m.
Corey Branch (our Dist. C city council rep) was at the most recent CAC
meeting Monday evening and was very responsive to our request for help with
the noise problem. He said that the meeting on Monday was the first time he
had heard of it being a problem from the Bowstring establishment. He was
sympathetic to our problem and recommended the same tactics that we are
already employing. He told us we are not the only neighborhood having
objection to the new noise ordinance. It sounds like they are aware that it
is a problem that City Council needs to address soon.
On Thu, Oct 24, 2024 at 4:34 PM Mark Turner via BPW-Action <
bpw-action(a)eastraleigh.org> wrote:
This is fair. Please include an invite to BPW-Action
for anyone who would
like to discuss further.
Mark
On 10/24/24 16:27, kpadge wrote:
Hey, Mark.
I appreciate your not wanting to clog up the main listserv. I would
request that once this smaller group comes up with a list of things we are
pursuing, you would allow us to post an update to the main listserv
summarizing our plans and inviting others to join us as they like. Would
you be open to that?
Krista
On Thu, Oct 24, 2024 at 4:19 PM Mark Turner via BPW-Action <
bpw-action(a)eastraleigh.org> wrote:
Thanks for the update, Eric.
I would prefer all Bowstring discussions take place here rather than the
mail email list for the time being.
Mark
On 10/24/24 15:43, Eric Hill wrote:
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I forgot to mention - I feel like this should be
shared on the main
listserv. I think there are people on there that maybe don't care to
take the time to sign up for this specific bpw action thread but would
maybe be interested in sharing their experience with the City Council.
Let me know if that makes sense or maybe we have enough members here
that we don't need to bother the others.
Thanks,
Eric
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